Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For

This lady was in the Killeen, Texas Luby's where a lot of people were killed. She, wanting to be a law abiding citizen, left her gun in her car. Due to this fact, her parents died as she was unable to protect them. The blame rests solely on the madman who shot the people, make no mistake. But as she said, the gun doesn't walk in on its own, just the same as the madman's car didn't drive itself through the front of the building by itself.
Liberals who want to ban guns say that is about public safety, but it's not. It's about the power they want to have to control the population, nothing more.
Isn't this incident so obvious that gun control doesn't work?
a) its guaranteed in the Constitution we can bear arms.
b) The laws in effect at the time of the Luby's incident had absolutely no effect on the killer. Driving through a building and murdering people by any means is illegal. The killer did both. The laws "for asafer society" had a devastating effect on Suzanna Gratia-Hupp and her family, and every one else in that Luby's. Because she chose to obey the law, she watched her parent's murders.

I know what you liberal tree-hugging fags are saying, ban all guns and this wouldn't happen. What about the car asshole? Ask the bobbies in England how bad crime is involving knives? Ask the citizens in Australia and New Zealand how badly thay are getting fucked by gun-toting criminals, now that the government there has confiscated all registered firearms? Oh yeah, don't forget criminals don't register their guns.

I'm not really a Liberal as you call it.
Nor am I a tree hugger.
I believe that there is a middle ground that we could find somewhere in the law that would allow normal citizens to carry a pistol as a self defense tool.
However, I agree with the fact that normal citizens don't really need fully automatic Machine-guns with extra large Banana clips for so called "defense".
If a woman wants to carry a .38 in her purse for defense against madmen or rapist, I agree with that %100 percent.
But does a guy need to have a giant arsenal of machine-guns to keep his house safe... no.
Thats what a Shotgun or a lever action rifle is for.
Should someone be allowed to carry a .45 for personal defense... yes, IF they take some safety classes and abide by the carry laws.

When dealing with lunatics like the guy who shot up the Luby's, there is no way to stop these guys from doing what they are going to do.
But where were the cop during all this?
How does a man drive a car through the front of a building and subsequently start executing people one at a time without any police involvement?
This guy Killed 23 people and wounded 20 others before he finally popped himself.
I say if we are going to let people carry guns around then lets go back to the old Wild West way where EVERYONE can walk around with a Pistol slung on their hip or a rifle in their hand.

Your right... Criminals will always have guns.
We should have the right to have them too.

I just don't think that Bobby-joe needs a Mini-gun to defend the earthly wealth that she has stockpiled in the confines of her Double-wide trailer.

I call Bullshit on that one, Dr Death. Once you start down the slippery slope of restricting certain weapons because they are "too dangerous", it is that much easier for the government to do the same thing to other classes of firearms.
Did you know that "assault weapons", as defined by the liberals, are actually used in so few percentage of crimes that the FBI doesn't even keep stats on them?

The Bill of Rights has no exemptions for certain classes of weapons. Just as there is no restrictions on the other rights listed therein. How would you feel if the government restricted certain areas of free speech, such as the internet, or talk radio? Scary, huh?
By the way, thats a pretty sexy chick up there, armed with a minigun!

Thats a ridiculous way of looking at it.
When the Second Amendment was written people were using Muzzle-loading Rifles that had a firing rate of about two shots per minute.
There was need for a Militia because there wasn't any police force and the Army was spread way too thin to be affective in any way...
People were pretty much on their own as far as defending their land went.

Now we have Fully Automatic Assault Rifles with Armor-piercing Teflon rounds collected in 30-round banana-clips that can be reloaded in a second.
There are fully armed and trained Police and Sheriffs Departments with S.W.A.T. backup at the call of a Walkie-Talkie.
Helicopters with Infrared Night-Vision.
Police Dogs.
And everyone in the Country has a Cell-phone on them at all times.

Its a little bit different.

I understand where your mind set is.
You have several loaded pistols, shotguns and Rifles locked away in your house and you don't go to the Beach unless you have a Small caliber pistol stuffed into your Banana-Hammock.

I have a Bolt-action .22 rifle that I keep in the corner of my bedroom. The bullets are in the box, in the back of the Nightstand.
I just don't feel like I need to be Rambo 24/7.

I think there is a big difference between being able to keep a rifle in your house or a small pistol in your car or purse... and legalizing everything under the Sun until everyone is walking down the street looking like...
This Guy!

The Army back in the day when the Bill of Rights was written WAS the Militia.
It's about the freedom of the citizens, not what government thinks s too excessive.
What if the government thought that this website was too extreme, and violated the spirit of the First Amendment?

It is and it does... every fucking day!

You keep saying "what if".. I'm not talking about what if I'm talking about now.

What defends your right to free speech?

The Second Amendment.

So whats your point?

Do you think that we should all get our own personal Mechs and we can all walk around armed to the teeth, ready to destroy anything that looks like it might be a threat to the American way.

Or do you think everyone in America walking around in Fully Armed Mechs pretty much shatters the American Dream all together?

All I'm saying is that there is a big difference between having a Pistol for self defense purposes and having a fully armed Arsenal.

boring post...

I agree...

Galaktus... nobody is going to come to your house and take your guns, They are NEVER going to go that far. Besides, You work in Law Enforcement anyway... so why are you so worried?

No one is going to take my guns? Not while I got my Mech parked out front....
Seriously, The UK, Australia, New Zealand all started with gun registration (so the jack booted thugs know who has guns), then they started to ban and confiscate pistols, then semi-auto rifles, then shotguns... Now UK has a new anti-knife law. Seems now there is too much street crime with thugs armed with knives, so any pocket knife that locks open is now illegal there. I guess the assholes limeys over the pond never thought to lock up criminals, instead of banning a common tool, huh?
And the cops in the UK don't carry guns, except for a very select few.

In the recent Katrina hurricane police officers were going door to door confiscating weapons of any size. Taking them from everyone, including little old ladies. Didn't do any good. The gang-bangers still had their guns and were still shooting at cops. Don't say that it's NEVER going to go that far.

Until recently, the District of Columbia had a firearms ban. I say recent because in a win for the good guys the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 deeming it unconstitutional.

Did you know that breaking and entering is reported lowest in Texas, the one state that has the loosest gun laws? A state that is considering going back to an open carry law? In Texas you have the right to shoot anyone just for being on your property. Criminals will think twice before entering a home where they know a gun lives.

So what if I own an AR-15. If it's registered who cares? If I'm not shooting it at YOU, then why the hell do you care what I own and do with my spare time? Restricting individual rights on the ownership of guns won't keep guns away from the criminals. They're going to get them no matter what laws are mandated. Then they'll have the guns, law abiding citizens won't and the law abiding citizens will pay the price.

As far as a well regulated militia is concerned, that provision is there to be a separate entity from the military. Not controlled or subject to the dictates of the government. It's there to keep the government in check. When they take away our guns, they take away our ability to fight back at the extreme level. Once that happens, they can take away the rest of your freedoms and you will never be able to do a damn thing about it.

And why the hell is everyone always comparing us to other countries? The whole point of the Declaration of Independence is that we are our own entity. That document stated that we DON'T WANT to be like the pantywaists overseas and we want them to stay the hell away from us. It still holds true. Europe does not have the answers.

Hey... America LOOOVES their guns. That is very apparent in any movie or TV show that you watch.
And once again, I am not condoning taking away anything from anybody.
But if we are going to let people carry guns... then lets do it all the way and Go Cowboy all across the country.
But... one of the points I am trying to make is that there is a big difference in someone carrying a pistol of acceptable size and someone walking down the street with an Assault Rifle slung across their shoulder.
If we are going to allow people to openly carry guns, then lets do it.
But you know what... we did it once right here in Tampa and it didn't work.
They made it legal to carry Pistols as long as they were out in plain sight.
The very next day people were walking into the 7-11 with two .44's strapped to their hip. They changed the law back as soon as they possibly could (about 8 days later).
Yea... openly knowing that someone has a gun is a great deterrent to crime... unless your a crazy motherfucker, and then all bets are off.

You want to give EVERYONE a gun... then be prepared for Shooting to go through the roof, the Jails and Courtrooms to be jam-packed to overflowing, and the road-rage to take a horrible turn for the worst.

No, I do not want to give everyone a gun. Felons, mental health patients, etc should not have them.

Open carry- so what if someone had two .44's strapped to his hips while he was buying a slurpee? Did anyone get hurt because of it? No.

Your argument of someone carrying "a pistol of acceptable size" proves my point of gun registration to banning of "certain" guns, to total confiscation of firearms. What if the government decided that "certain" free speech opinions were acceptable, and others were not? (I am not referring to the shouting fire in a crowded theater scenario, because doing that is likely to get people hurt). People simply owing firearms does not hurt people.
You seem to think that people owning assault rifles will automatically make people die in droves. No matter what is banned, murder is still illegal, if you use you bare hands, a rock, a knife, or an assault rifle.

Check out this video, or Google "Obama guns" and see what pops up. Why would someone want to ban guns, even to ban citizens from having guns to protect themselves, EVEN IN THEIR OWN HOMES? And at the same time, vote AGAINST mandatory sentencing for gang members who murder for their gang, or for criminals who use a gun in or near a school?

The only possible answer I can think of is liberal politicians who want to keep gun crime around just to make more gun laws.

Fight the CRIME, not the guns! Lockup the criminals who use guns, and gun crime will drop like a lead balloon.

Maybe if the Lazy ass Cops would crowbar their Fat asses of the Stool at Doughnutland, and arrest some bad guys, maybe then we wouldn't have to worry about so much crime.

I live in the Ghetto, Its a really bad neighborhood to say the least.I rarely ever see a cop in this neighborhood. But if I drive down the street about twenty blocks into the nicer neighborhoods, I always see about three or four patrol cars sitting in a little pow-wow circle, hanging out, chillin'.

Let face it... It all come down to keeping a BALANCE of POWER going.
Too many guns, people are Scared.
Not enough Guns, People are scared.
Too many cops, Its a Police State.
Not enough Cops, Its Pandemonium.

I think that the Polititions, like Oboma are trying to do is regulate the amount of deadly weapons that are out there. Their veiw is that the less Assault rifles there are, the less chance that somebodies going to flip out and spray a schoolyard.
I'm not saying that Criminals will not always have guns, because they will.
And I'm not saying take away all the regular citizens guns, because that wont work either.
But there has to be a Middle Ground Maintained.